Dear Simon, I ask because our access to Neapolitan tailors in Los Angeles is limited but I wanted something I could wear in summer similar to the way youve been wearing your charcoal G+H linen suit. Classic bespoke, single breast in Minnis grey wool cloth 12/13oz. Now, the brand is returning to America for the first time in over two years, as are many British artisans. As has been mentioned, your tie is stunning, but sadly it doesnt feature in Drakes current line up. I have received and worn the suit, and can highly recommend it. I will do something longer on his system though, so I can give as many details as possible. That was more specific to Rubinacci. Thanks Simon, I initially thought I would go for A&S as I love the style and think they would guide me through the process extremely well. There is a tremendous amount of added value in their product the Savile Row cache, the fact theyre actual tailors and not salesmen which I dont think is being communicated in the price. Every hem and lining felled by hand, buttonhole sewn with silk and trouser hand-sewn with curtained waistbands. I do think its worth asking, as they are generally quite open to such ideas, but at the same time if they seem hesitant then dont push it. After all, people happily walk into Canali and hand over 1500 for factory made MTM suits from a block pattern I would expect to pay much closer to 2k for a bespoke product like this (which even then is still a cracking deal). See how much you wear it and what you enjoy about it, at least for a while. Great service and advice. Moreover, thanks to the well-oiled workings of the Chennai workshop, New York customers who place orders during the first leg of the trunk show (November 16-19), will be able to have their pieces fitted when the brothers pass back through New York between November 29 and December 1, negating a long wait (most tailors wont return to fit clients till spring 2022). So basically I will be sad 4 days a week for a while! He values fit above everything, but as he does all the work himself, it is a very easy relationship. Not a toile. Thanks very much. Is it sailing, sailing, or the way to new horizons? Gone for a nice navy classic worsted. Quite pleased with my first classic bespoke suit from W&S. Thanks for your reply Simon. Its not that big, no, around 300 depending on cloth. Was this cloth amongst their offerings at their base price or was there a cost supplement? Not really Im afraid Chris I havent had a chance to try it or look through the process in detail. Yes, Edward is more dramatic and youll find the drape style more comfortable during the day at work too. Youll find a few reviewed here, most obviously W&S, Graham Browne, Choppin & Lodge, and Manning & Manning. 829 posts. My worry for a business like W&S is that theyre underselling themselves the price seems too much of a bargain. around 3000 but entirely made by them)? Subscribe to RR1 Live+ for exclusive virtual events all year long (at least 1 per month), conversations with Robb Report editors, special perks, and more. Keep up the good work! I would estimate 9cm but if you get a chance to measure it I would be grateful. Someone asked that recently on the post announcing their US tour. Thank you, Simon, for your evaluation of this bespoke option from W&S. And in your opinion would a soft jacket from W&S be suitable to wear with relaxed chinos and jeans? I can understand why some people dont want a suit where any of it is made abroad. Every artist has their Read More, What is yachting. The timeline is very similar to other bespoke offerings usually 4-6 weeks between each stage, often quicker towards the end. Thank you. Do you see this as suitable for business, or not so much? Richard. how many weeks from measuring to first fitting, from first fitting to second fitting, etc. new to bespoke), but i would certainly be interested to know more about 1) what to realistically expect from bespoke, and 2) how to get the most from the process. Is that a consequence of your intentions or is it more John McCabes style of cutting? I must say that I sincerely couldnt be more pleased. The width here is 3.75 inches. I mean, top quality stuff for about a 1/3 of the price. How are the characters hobbies evidence of their social class. I am no expert in cloth so I can very easily have been mistaken and, of course, you know better than I what you have being made. Thanks Simon. Hi Simon, I know comparing tailors from Italy and England is like comparing apples and pears (style wise), but just from a quality perspective how would you compare Sartoria Vergallo to this W&S offering? One thing I worry about is whether their business model and pricing is viable in the long term. Do you recommend against a tuxedo as a first commission from a tailor? (Which one imagines is the standard 6-9 weeks. Also for the sake of comparison would the drawbacks of mtm for soft tailoring (disregarding fit as obvious) be less of the hand details. And 100 Hands does shirts in India but as the quality is so high, its still expensive, I had a navy worsted two piece suit made at W&S which was cut by Sian. Such are the hassles of bespoke tailoring. Could you give more information on the stitching point and the fit? possibly a slightly unusual choice Id like you to ask about, purely subjective of course: for a first bespoke commission, if your budget was a tad higher then W&S classic say 2000-3000 would you still choose them (and add an extra trouser to get to 2k+) or go with one of the cheaper Italian tailors, say Vergallo or Solito, (at around 2200 2500) or give a young / next generation Saville Row cutter a chance (e.g. solito e.2500 for suit, e2100 for jacket. I will still use my other London tailor but certainly plan to include W&S in the rotation. From what Ive read on your blog and others, I think W&S are the superior tailor and Id rather compromise my style and get a better quality suit. I understand there a differences in style obviously. i.e. How would you compare this to Grahame Browne given the close pricing? The cut is lovely and lean, with the suppression of the waist accentuating the sharp style we were going for single button, more open foreparts, unflapped pockets, plus that lap seam of course. Ill reflect more on the overall style of Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, and where it sits relative to other tailors I have tried, when I publish the pictures of the Savile Row Bespoke suit. Vergallo would be a great starting point. Bravo Simon, you sound extremely pleased with it. No its certainly worth asking, but do try to be specific in what you would like. Yes, i believe it was Sian (it was a lady). I have large shoulders, am tall and have a relatively slim waist, but dont feel comfortable looking bigger. Just one point on pricing. And quality is quality, no matter where its sourced. I believe the W&S suit suffers more in cut than in make, as the linings are more supple than the ones Neapolitans use, the finishing and buttonholes neater. And no, I dont think its appropriate for business. Do you still recommend visiting the tailoring/shoemaking house itself, at least for initial consultation? To give some context, i am early 30s and now have the income to dabble with a few bespoke pieces; so far, this suit and spectacles from General Eyewear (selected based on reviews on your site, thanks!). Simon what is your experience with Rubinacci in London? If youve seen an example you like from either, however, then go for it. How strange, and to deepen the mystery further it was a pair of trousers which I had seen. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury is based on George Street in Mayfair, just a few paces from Savile Row, and offers two bespoke services: its Savile Row Bespoke service, which is made in the. Their business moved to Savile Row in 1846, following the death of founder James Poole. Much more Italian style, soft and more curved. Were lucky that our workshop allows us to turn fittings around for clients relatively quickly while keeping total control of quality, Suresh explains. Bespoke suits are thus more expensive and take longer to produce, but they will provide you with a better fit than a custom suit ever could. This will offer better value than any MTM service, by some margin. The program helped to rehabilitate families whod had been affected by the tsunami, giving them new ways to earn a living, Suresh explains. We specialise in handcrafted bespoke suits that are constructed from the finest natural materials and express a timeless elegance. In this article, Linus will be reviewing the final product of the trousers. I mean its so majestic, amazing you should do a tutorial on it. HB, In some ways, yes, though the structure etc is different and the value itself even better too. I have gone for a three piece with extra trousers in the classic bespoke and this makes me feel happy! Very nice suit. I havent tried Edwards MTM so I cant really compare Im afraid. I think theyd certainly do a very good job. I explicitly did not make any comments about the suit while it was cut, except answers to questions I was asked. Id still call them an English tailor But its hard to say Id say buy whichever of the two you can stretch to. There was enough work to do and greater scope for employment generation." http . Care to share your trick? Another question: in another post you mention desiring to be measured at the house itself; a friend of yours had gone to a trunk show and did not receive good results with fit. Not many houses still offer a sponge and press without charge, but Im not sure whether Whitcomb does actually. I guess this is relevant to the greatest number of people in the context of a bespoke suit, and it would great to know what are the key points that should be thought about (choice of cloth etc.). I had suits made in both, in order to compare them. Also , Its great that you still bring your expertise to clothes within a lower price bracket .sometimes I think were losing you to the luxury market a little too much . Customers are measured and fitted in London by our cutter who cuts the pattern in London. Subscribe now and get up to 61% off the cover price. Thanks simon. With this in mind, what difference (if any) would there be between a suit cut by a cutter who specialises in a particular house cut, and a cutter who deals with a wider range of styles? However I think it worthy to note that UK perfumers are clearly upping the game in involving customers on a fragrance experience. You could also look at Kent Haste & Lachter, who would be more similar to that style. The pleat on the trouser is quite shallow which makes it not functional. The results are great and I would very much enjoy hearing how your experience is. Like the lap seam down the back of the jacket (an idea I shamelessly copied across from my Chittleborough & Morgan suit). If Im not completely wrong, but the diffrence in price is not that very big. I dont know how those prices have changed, no sorry. Im soon travelling to London, and am interested in a soft shouldered jacket or two. You described some English suits as cuted with small drape (e.g. Yes, it was at their basic cost. Every aspect of the garment from the fabric to the style is customized and tailored for your unique body. Following on from my previous questions, I would just like to say that I commissioned a Classic Bespoke Suit from W&S for my wedding day, cut by Sian in a dark navy Holland and Sherry 9 1/2oz Mohair. Is sufficient to have the master coatmaker in the fittings or you absolutely need to see the cutter? W&S will still be more formal than pretty much anything Vergallo will produce. I dont think this is something you have covered already (apologies if i have missed it). I notice that they have recently taken on a new cutter called Sian Walton. When writing about the second suit might you include some further detail about the Cutter/Coatmaker and their views on what makes a good silhouette? Very good sales and marketing. How does their house style translate to a relatively casual sports coat (like a tweed jacket with some casual detailing that could be worn down with denim, or up for the office with flannel)? Like this article? Here is a simple way to think about it. I chose the Holland and Sherry 892004 slate blue Harris tweed and plunged in. Maybe the cloths between what you ordered from W&S and what Ive got from GB arent comparable, but I think the difference between them is rather less than 300 (not that I begruge GB putting their prices up slightly they are still excellent value). Its when the cutter is never present that you really have to worry. That pocket square fold is on point. I like the house styles of Henry Poole and G&H, but I hoped to get the first bespoke suits a little bit cheaper. Bespoke three peice suit in navy 13oz wool #bespoke # savilerow #handmade #suit #style #elegance #hollandandsherry #whitcombshaftesbury #mensstyle #menswear #rakish #elegance Our coats are fully handmade with floating canvases. When he died, his son, also named George, inherited the property and began to lease out parcels of land to tailors. This is something most tailors dont do, but you do occasionally see it used on particularly soft or lightweight cloths. in the style breakdown series. Thank you very much for all your great advice! Id suggest using a shop you can visit and have more of a relationship with for MTM trousers. Cheers. "Artisan of the Year 2021" - Permanent Style Those two are often the best ways to communicate style, I really only wear white, which is why we launched with this. Yes, a small change in lapel width is fine. That means the clothes have been designed specifically for you and no one else. Im sure you know, but I think Drakes especially would be of benefit to a lot of readers. I am a doctor trust and confidence is my core value. Thanks! Its old Kilgour, closest to A&S probably. The chest, lapel and collar are still hand-padded; the buttonholes are finely hand-stitched; every other area of finishing youd expect from Savile Row bespoke (eg hand-stitching the lining of the waistband) is there. From the H&S Classic Worsteds bunch do recall if this was the navy, dark navy or midnight? As they are roughly in the same price range, I consider both of them for my first bespoke suit. Do you think W&S would still be a good choice and do you think they would accept these preferences or is their house style quite set? To commission a bespoke suit is the epitome of sartorial luxury. Thats a really great question, and very useful experiences of bespoke too. I also wouldnt say it will make any difference seeing them both at different points. Im attracted to the Classic Bespoke offering from W&S for a wedding suit but think I favour two button and slightly stronger shoulders. As a more extreme example how does it compare to your C&M and Cifonelli suits: if you say its nearly as good that may change everything!! Thanks Simon. After much internet research and reading your recommendation I have taken the plunge with W&S. Very flattering! Buttonholes are sewn with silk thread by hand. He was given the land by King Charles II in 1668 as a gift for his support of the Crown during the Civil War. Solito, Dalcuore, Caliendo and Rubinacci (in ascending order of price! More than Poole, but less than A&S. The reality seems to be that you must thoroughly educate yourself regarding manufacture and design points, and have a clear sense for what you want, in order to get the most out of the process. Vergallo doesnt get enough attention they remain excellent value. They have outfitters (not tailors) who measure you, and their cutters/tailors are in Hong Kong. Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. I dont have the cloth number, but I can get it. The fact is that I havent had the fortune to connect with any Neapolitan tailors like I have a couple in London, so I asked Suresh what they were comfortable with. The fabric will be high quality and the stitching will be precise and flawless.Secondly, a bespoke suit will always be perfectly tailored to the individual. Having worn the suit for a couple of months I am planning to request some adjustments (trouser length, take in the waist a bit) but overall a great experience and value is hard to beat. Plus, get the exclusive Robb Report tote bag FREE. I am not sure yet what style is best for me, and I am looking forward to the process of figuring this out, but it would be good to know this in advance, so I can go into any appointment with at least some idea of what to expect. This article describes my way of creating a closet for a character. If youre into your clothes, you might well know the name Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. P.S. Your comments in the discussion are helpful in triangulating their merits. It gets made for a lot of weddings. To say id say buy whichever of the price seems too much a. 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