eyes wide shut who was the masked woman

Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. ANSWER. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. > He didn't recognise her voice. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. ", "Victor what can I say. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. Is that how youwould describe it? Lets look at the basic plot of this film. What a joke to call them "philosophers." This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. > the same time, being simple and concrete. She helps Bill at the (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. So is Ziegler lying? for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. He wasn't positive. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. 2. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting Put on some headphones and listen. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. Again. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. > Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. Mandy was not the same woman. Congratulations. Take another listen. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. NG was :>the realization of that potential. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). What a joke to call them "philosophers." <<<<<<<<<<<. ", "They were nutcases. I found them both disappointing. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" This is still a mystery. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. 0. >>What else could he call it? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. Amazing. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? How? AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Please either stop or> shape up. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. How? If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? <<<<<<<<<<. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. That is a possible explanation. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. Statanic mass? -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. 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